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March 24, 2009 05:00 PM UTC

Agreed: Josh Penry Just Makes Stuff Up

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  • by: Colorado Pols

Grand Junction Sentinel columnist Bill Grant writes, following up on last week’s lively discussion of Senate Minority Leader Josh Penry’s inventive (charitably put) talking points against Colorado’s forthcoming new oil and gas drilling rules:

As the oil and gas rules come before the state Senate for a vote, we can expect that Senate Minority Leader Josh Penry will continue to oppose them. So far, his only tactic has been to repeat the same Colorado Oil and Gas Association talking points we have heard since his opening day address to the Senate: The rules are driving gas drillers from the state and deepening the recession by costing jobs.

When Penry recently told KKCO Channel 11 that “Colorado is losing significantly more (energy activity) than any other state,” adding, “there’s a strong argument to be made it’s because of these rules,” online journalists at ColoradoPols.com asked him in an email to confirm his facts.

Penry responded “The Piceance Basin has lost 60 percent of its rig count. The next closest is N.M. at about 50 percent … Most other regions are at 30 or 40 percent decline. Some states are significantly less than that.

“The drill rig count is a matter of public record,” he added, referring to the Divestco North American Rig Count Web site. Checking Penry’s source, Colorado Pols found that only North Dakota among states in this region had lost a smaller percentage of their gas drilling rigs than Colorado, according to the Divestco site. “Vitually every number quoted by Penry is, by his own source, bogus,” the story concludes…

Just as Penry seems to have difficulty seeing the Colorado gas downturn in a larger context than his Senate district, he seems equally unable to put the drilling decline into the larger context of a national recession. If he could do that, he would realize, as The New York Times announced last week, “The great American drilling boom is over.” At least for now.

Clifford Krauss of the Times attributed the downturn to “the first globalized natural gas glut in history (which) is driving an even more drastic collapse in the cost of gas that cooks food, heats homes and runs factories in the United States and many other countries.”

…Penry needs to confront facts, not distort them, and he needs to present a rational case for his position, not simply a repeat of discredited talking points. [Pols emphasis]

One small note of clarification–we didn’t actually correspond with Penry on this, as we said last Thursday we were forwarded the email exchange in question, then did our own check of the facts and wrote about it. But as for the rest, yeah, pretty much exactly. Not so good timing for this deconstruction of Penry’s central talking point to appear in Penry’s hometown paper, either–and somebody check the calendar, when do the rules hit the Senate floor again? How inconvenient.

As always, we (grin no longer containable) apologize for the inconvenience.

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38 thoughts on “Agreed: Josh Penry Just Makes Stuff Up

  1. Bill Grant is on the board of the Western Colorado Congress, an environmental group that both supports the proposed rules (they’ve testified at the legislature in favor of them)as well as opposing oil and gas development.  So does he have an axe to grind?  Absolutely.  Is he going to dispute Penry….absolutely.  Does either the Sentinel or Pols disclose that….absolutely not.  That would take away some of the fun right?

  2. It’s nice to see you guys quote each other in your pieces.  What’s next?  Maybe you should call Ritter to get his take on this whole thing.  No, wait.  Call Perlmutter.  No, wait.  Call DeJet.  It’s nice to see that at 8:00 on the dot Pols had their first Penry hit piece up for the day.  How does it work over there?  Do you guys punch in at 7:30, scour the internet to find something to smack Penry with and make sure it’s up by 8?  

    1. Because with a weakened party, the Senate Minority Leader is now essentially the public face of the Republican Party in Colorado. Who are we supposed to talk about from the GOP side when nobody else is ever in the news?

        1. Except for Coffman’s ethics hearing. Besides, I really don’t think that the AG, despite being statewide elected, is as important a leader as the Minority Leader of the Senate is.

          1. a state-wide elected AG is not as significant a leader as the state senate minority leader?!  That surprises me.  Remembering way back to pre-2005, I think Ken Salazar was way more influential in his party, and in the state, than whoever the Senate minority leader was back then.

      1. Last year you spent precious little time talking about the then-Senate Minority leader Andy McElhany.  You don’t spend any time talking about the house leader Mike May (who said the same things about the oil and gas rules that Penry has been saying).  You aren’t calling out Wadhams…who after Saturday is clearly the leader of the state GOP…and he’s saying the same thing.

        Neither of them pose a significant long term political threat to statewide elected democrats.  Penry does.  It’s a very simple equation and the more you dance around trying to come up with plausible excuses…the more transparent they become.

    2. Rather, we fear and oppose politicians who simply put ideology before the facts, who rely on baseless fear to influence their constituencies, and try to sell it as policy.  

      1. It’s nice to see someone on the left admit that Senator Penry is influential — and that’s why Pols has a hard on for him.  As for the assertion that he’s a politican who puts ideology before facts — I’ll remind you that he’s done more for Mesa County in the minority than those who served before him did in the majority(matt smith and ron teck).  

          1. with $40 billion in taxpayers future taxes …ahem bailout stimulus

            I’ll remind you Geithner has done more for AIG and its executives then those who served before him.

            1. were put in place by contracts between AIG and company employees in early 2008 during the Bush Administration. The reason the House passed the bill last week to tax the bonuses is for the simple reason, the courts would not allow the government by statute to abrogate existing contracts.  

              1. The DOW is down over 40% since Nov 4th, for the most part equity values are driven off of future expectation of earnings.

                POTUS must go live tonight in primetime to hose off the AIG inferno he created and show the nation he is not punch drunk with the nations economic management. I’m sure there are a lot of similarities between being the leader of the free world and a community organizer, maybe President Obama will incorporate a compare and contrast of the two in his next book.

                WASHINGTON (AP) – President Barack Obama is trying to dampen a fire he once stoked, urging a more tempered response to public furor over bonuses paid to executives of the publicly rescued insurance giant American International Group.

                Obama is virtually certain to use Tuesday’s prime-time news conference to continue an effort that began over the weekend: cooling the anti-AIG ferocity, now that it threatens to undermine his efforts to bail out the nation’s deeply troubled financial sector.

                Obama’s tone changed dramatically after the House voted last week for targeted taxes to take back most of the $165 million in bonuses paid to AIG executives. Many lawmakers felt Obama had encouraged their step, because he called the bonuses reckless, outrageous and unjustified.

                In the White House, however, the situation seemed to be spinning out of control. Some fellow Democrats questioned the constitutionality and wisdom of the House’s action. Executives of other troubled companies signaled they would not make deals with a federal government that revises agreements after they are signed.

                On Sunday, Obama told CBS’ “60 Minutes” the House’s plan to slap a special tax on the AIG executives would be unconstitutional. Borrowing a line from his Feb. 24 speech to Congress, he said he would not “govern out of anger.” …

                For Obama, the challenge is to keep a pulse on the anger while giving the public time to calm down, and perhaps be distracted by other events in the coming days.

                [WTF is this comment about some bizarre foreshadowing of a secretive international crisis that Joe Biden foresaw in 2008] …

                On Monday, Gibbs continued to be evasive. “We will certainly evaluate whatever were to come down Pennsylvania Avenue” from the House and Senate, he said.

                His comments were more tepid than those Obama made a week earlier. Then, the president said he had directed Geithner to “pursue every legal avenue to block these bonuses and make the American taxpayer whole.”

                After reading this I can see why the President is punch drunk as it is two 47 year olds standing against Wall Street, 19 G20 Finance Ministers, and a host of rouge interlopers.

                It is tough to make radical socialist policy shifts in a complex capitalistic environment environment.

                1. economic indicators plunging. I believe it was President Bush. President Obama has been in office since January 20th. If his program to revive the economy works, the Democrats will benefit tremendously in the 2010 election and, if it doesn’t, the reverse will be true but the cold hard facts dictate only one conclusion. The Republicans held the White House when all of the activity occurred that caused the economic crisis, not President Obama.

                  The AIG bonuses, as bad as they are, are not the cause of the economic mess we’re in.

                  Finally, your cry of socialism might have worked in the 1950′ and 60’s but it rings hollow today, just like it did during the last election campaign when Gov. Palin raised it. As conservative columnist David Brooks said in May 2008 about the Republican ideological commitment to anti-government:

                  “An anti-government philosophy turned out to be politically unpopular and fundamentally un-American. People want something melioristic, they want government to do things.” In the same article, George Packer, the author, said:  “Above all, Obama should absorb what most thoughtful conservatives already know: that these voters see the economic condition of the country as inextricable from its moral condition.” He was speaking of working class voters.

                  See 5/26/08 edition of the New Yorker, article entitled the Fall of Conservatism.

                  And finally as another person said about the economic crisis:

                  “There were just two alternatives: The first was to allow the foreclosures to continue, credit to be withheld and money to go into hiding, and thus forcing liquidation and bankruptcy of banks, railroads and insurance companies and a recapitalizing of all business and all property on a lower level. This alternative meant a continuation of what is loosely called “deflation”, the net result of which would have been extraordinary hardship on all property owners and, incidentally, extraordinary hardships on all persons working for wages through an increase in unemployment and a further reduction of the wage scale.

                  It is easy to see that the result of this course would have not only economic effects of a very serious nature  but social results that might bring incalculable harm.Even before I was inaugurated I came to the conclusion that such a policy was too much to ask the American people to bear. It involved not only a further loss of homes, farms, savings and wages but also a loss of spiritual values — the loss of that sense of security for the present and the future so necessary to the peace and conentment of the individual and of his family. When you destroy these things you will find it difficultto establish confidence of any sort in the future.

                  The person who said that was President Franklin D. Roosevelt in his second fireside chat on May 7, 1933. He spoke to the core issues and how it impacted people both economically and above all spiritually. President Obama is aimed in the same direction. The Republican stance of being against everything and anything proposed by President Obama isn’t an alternative policy but a default to the ‘do nothing’ policy alternative President Roosevelt alluded to and, in the end, nothing more than a call to make the American people suffer needlessly.  

            2. Penry’s superhero suit was at the cleaners and he didn’t get there in time.

              Or could it be that what you’ve written has nothing to do with my comment or this thread?

              MesaModerate said he’s done more than his predecessors.  It’s reasonable to ask for examples.  Go bother someone else.

                1. I see Clinton, but still no Penry.  Get the lack of connection?

                  Anything you’d like to add about Penry at all?  He reminds you of Hillary?  Make a stretch, anything.  Help us all tie it together.

        1. is attempting to establish his influence in the same manner as Bush did, especially during the 2004 election, through fear and, without cause, projecting that fear on to opposing party members or candidates. It may win an election but is that really what we should be basing our public policy on. In my view, it is a diversion by the Republicans to avoid discussion of the public policy problems confronting Colorado and the United States.

          It is just another mechanism to avoid those issues and say no to every piece of legislation that attempts to solve something. Just another indication the Republican Party isn’t interested in governing.

            1. That doesn’t mean President Obama’s policies are incorrect. For example, a couple of weeks ago, when the government indicated it might inject more money into some banks and, in return, take a larger equity position in those banks, investors fled those financial institution stocks not because the government policy would fail to save those banks and our financial system; but because the value of their bank stocks would be diluted if the government took a larger equity position. They fled financial institution stocks to protect the value of their personal portfolios and the financial institution stocks went down. However, that doesn’t mean those investors believed the injection of additional funds would make the banks fail. Your assuming that because the stock market has fallen that that means government policy is wrong. The two don’t equate except in a superfical way.  

              1. I still see significant risk the index will trade below 5000, but stopping bailouts like Madam Pelosi did with her new Tax Policy just might do the trick.

                I really doubt Obama has the balls to sign her bill. He’ll be cutting off his own plans to restructuring Amerika. Its like Ritter on that union boss bill he had to veto in early 2007.

                Obama needs to veto this bill and my guess is he is setting the stage for that tonight.

            2. The Dow is down 20% since Obama was voted in, not 40%. It closed at 9,625.28 on Election Day and closed at 7,660.21 today. Do the math.

              Or are you as bad at ‘rithmatic as the Republicans who drove the economy into the ground?

              If you’re looking for SERIOUS influence, you’d have to go back to Election Day 2006, when the Dow closed at 12,105.55, to find a 36% drop in the Dow.

              That’s right, the day Josh Penry was voted into the state Senate, the Dow began its 36% slide. Talk about MASSIVE influence …

                1. and since Josh Penry became the hope and future of the state GOP, it’s declined a good 36%. Clearly, Penry is worse for the economy than Obama.

  3. It seems we know who the real candidates might be for the races in 2010 as we see who you are always be put down by this paer. All we have to do is watch this blog and we know who the good candidate are since you do everything in your power to put them down.  So based on that it is Josh Penry for Governor and Cleve Tidwell for Senate. It’s obvious both or first class and well qualified and I wish either could meet your writers face to face and then maybe you might have the real facts. But probably no courage on your part for that. I have heard them both and they are wonderful people even though they are not democrats.You might even like them. Well not really since you probably don’t even like your mother.

    I never knew that the party you chose made the person. I am embarrassed for our party to be so negative against people just because they are not dems, after all we had better wake up, our great hoep and speaker is killing us or can we not see. We all need to rethink where we case my vote for sure. it’s tie we stood up for freedom and got government out of our lives. Embarassing writers here for sure, but that probably gave you a climax.  

    1. it’s tie we stood up for freedom and got government out of our lives

      I can tell you’re a life-long Democrat by the way you speak so eloquently for the downtrodden (Penry and Tidwell).

      Embarassing writers here for sure, but that probably gave you a climax

      You said it!

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